Witch out of these 7 does it sound more what the verses are saying or does it mean something other than these 7 Al-ijr, Saudi Arabia: ancient Thamd house, This article was most recently revised and updated by. The Story of Adam (The First Man) _ part 1. We simply do not know the true date and timeline for when the first Thamud of the Quran existed and, therefore, it would be difficult, if not impossible, to accurately identify the ruins of such an ancient civilization that lived thousands years ago. During this time, the Nabateans built structures out of rock throughout their Kingdom, The buildings are not homes but are actually tombs, The inscriptions in al-Hijr are not those made by Thamud , At 26 instances in the Quran Thamud are mentioned by name and in none of those contexts they have been called People of al-Hijr, Where the carvings done by Thamud are mentioned the place of it is also mentioned, Quran 89:9 where the places is mentioned as al-Wad which means Wad lQura, The carvings made by the people of al-Hijr are mentioned in 15:82 and the people of al-Hijr is a title of the Nabateans. The above article contained links to images which do not show up in here after I copied and pasted them from my ms word. Also, the Prophet () did in fact mention the dwellings in a separate hadith. The Middle verse in chapter (25) of the Noble Quran talks about Noah's people, Ad (the people of the prophet Hud) and Thamud (the people of the prophet Salih). Allah does not want wrong for the servants. God destroyed them. Among such nations were the 'Ad and the Thamud, the Amalekites and the Himyar after them, the Tubbas, and the other South Arabian rulers (Adhwa). Suppose if Nuh ( ) came 40,000 years ago or even 100,000 years ago and the few hundred or a few thousand people were destroyed by the flood, then it would not be difficult to believe that human population reached in millions, further subdividing into nations, communities, and tribes, after thousands of years. It is not specific to the 2 Arab tribes. It is generic for multitude of civilizations And they used to carve from the mountains, houses, feeling secure. I am unsure if the root word but atharan can mean impact. Now today, Thamudic ones have not remained and what is preserved are the Nabatean ruins, Assalam alikum I think what the people are trying to say is if I got this right is that the hadith says dont enter the homes houses of thamud so the verses makes it sound like the houses were still standing tall back then and some non muslims use this hadith to say the muhammad peace be upon him thought that these houses that were built by the thamud but that he got it wrong because these tombs were built by the nabtions not thamud and Ibn Kathir thought the same this is what I think they mean. Personallhy, I think that number is too soon. Qur'an and Hadith on Thamud and their Dwellings Abu Rahma / March 22, 2016 It is argued that the Qur'an and the Prophet () made an error in history and facts [1]. There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him! declares the LORD. Change). From some understanding, it is derived that Thamud were an ancient Arab people well before Musa (as) and possibly well before Ibrahim (as) and hence the tombs (no dwellings to be seen in the present day ruins) must be very ancient and not recent like the Nabataeans. An archeologist studying Mount Rushmore 2000 years after the inscriptions may well deduce that the statues of Mount Rushmore were made by Latin Americans and even guess the date incorrectly. . The earliest Arab tribes emerged from Bedouins. [6], Thamd is also mentioned in Classical sources. Meaning ibn kathir thought these tombs were built by thamud as well but got it wrong, I agree also Im of the opion the hadith witch says dont enter the dwellings I think the prophet said dont enter the lands not houses because there are only 4 hadith witch mention that and 3 of them doesnt have the arabic word for dwelling there any way thats why dwelling is in brackets also the one hadith what does mention dwelling in arabic misken can mean land any way because it is used in the quran and there are some places it is translated as dwelling places not literally houses so Im of the opion the prophet was saying dont enter the land and even if it did mean houses it could be that there were a few bricks in the valley plain there and that is what he meant because if it was the same area then that is why some people think the prophet meant the nabateans buildings jazzakkallah also in verse 40:21 out of the 8 theorys I have put down witch one do you think is the right one what does atharan mean to you jazzakkallah because if it means remains then it just means there were just a bit of large bricks broken pillars there witch just shows they were better than the Arabs jazzakkallah what could be what the prophet meant dont enter the fallen down houses what ever left of there builds like a few large bricks and broken pillars, Also those 4 hadith dont mention thamud by name in just says the land of al hijr or the people of al hijr or region of al hijr but never thamud but yes I agree with the well but there are Wells all over the region of al hijr like al ula and such also al hijr might be anywhere with a rocky area like yemon or jordan also there is a place in oman called al hijr so could be anywhere like yemon also there is a place called thamud in yemon near where ad lived near hadramawt so you see what I mean could be there, Assalam alikum I was just wondering how do we explain 28:58 witch nation is it talking about and is it talking in past or present tense because this verse sounds like its talking about thamud those buildings witch were built by nabtions. [17], Thamud is mentioned twenty-three times in the Quran as part of a moralistic lesson about God's destruction of sinful nations, a central motif in the Quran. They were scientists and technicians and craftsmen, so they wanted conclusive proof. who occupy the heights of the hill. This generally means that despite very weak appearance now they one were very well established from the remanats. They are related to Thamd only in being much later structures sharing the same geographical location. [22], A poem attributed to Umayya ibn Abi--alt, a Meccan contemporary of Muhammad who refused to accept Islam, contains a reference to the camel and Thamud. and make your home on the heights, As for now, we dont know. and the pride of your heart have deceived you, Can someone please answer 89:9 because Im really stuck on this verse. This is the temple that was built by the tribal unit of Thamd, the leaders of their unit, so that it might be established by their hands and be their place of veneration forever with the support of Antistius Adventus, the governor. Traditionally, both the prophets Hud and Saleh and by implication, their respective communities Aad andThamud, are thought to have existed generations before Abraham, placing them well before 1300 BC (at the very least1). Later still, we find them mentioned by Ptolemy (d. 168AD), in his Geography.6. The Qu'ran (89: 6-13) refers to the 'Ad people; the unique high peaks of Iram, and the Thamud who carved the rocks there, and has been interpreted as an account of how 'Allah dealt harshly with the people of 'Ad who were corrupted by wealth and the delights of the flesh. There is a place called Khyber at Pakistan/Afghanistan border but that is NOT the Khyber of Madina. Akkadians are from Prophet Hud pbuh. Before sending the punishment on them, Allah sent two prophets to these nations. Asalam Alie Kum SUHIH MUSLIM _ THE BOOK OF HEART-MELTING TRADITION 40 Hadith Qudsi_ Al Nawawi's Forty Hadith. The Thamud are mentioned in contemporary Mesopotamian, Classical, and Arabian sources, including in inscriptions in a temple erected in the 160s for the god lh, by the Thamud themselves. There existed a nation called the Edomites. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); The Quranic tribes of Aad and Thamud a historical perspective. We dont have remains of Ad, do we? However, as the Christians have proposed an objection to the notion of any other people carving structures in hills and mountains prior to the Nabateans, this leaves the Christians with the following options: (1). Objection number 2 is not a major problem once we consider the various factors involved. One may argue that they existed until 106 CE, i.e. [5], A surviving letter from Nabonidus, a sixth-century BC king of Babylon, includes an order that a "Te-mu-da-a Ar-ba-a-a", apparently "Thamudi Arab", be given several talents of silver. after Isa (as), the period there were no prophets aynmore- how they could then deny their messenger? When Salih began to preach monotheism, the Thamud demanded that he prove his prophethood by bringing forth a pregnant camel from solid rock. This implies that the carvings in Madain Saleh (which in fact date to the first century CE) are not from the Thamudians, but rather their successors many centuries later in the same area. 'Ad and Thamud are closely connected by both Islamic and pre-Islamic sources. [15], But despite the presence of a tribe called the Thamud as late as the fourth century, sixth-century Arab poets whose works are preserved in post-Islamic sources were already referring to the Thamud as an ancient and long-lost tribe whose very name recalled the transience of all things. They were often stronger than you in signs or athar left behind has been oft repeated. Archeologists have put these ruins from the first century BCE and the first century CE. They built buildings on the land and also carved them in hills. Do not enter the dwellings of those who wronged themselves unless you are weeping, lest you be afflicted with the likes of what afflicted them. 12. You built mansions on the plains and hewed the hills into houses[7:74]. Take your time and let it sink in: 1. He said, "My people, just think: if I did have clear proof from my Lord, and if He had given me mercy of His own, who could protect me from God if I disobeyed Him? The Nabateans What is uncovered thus far reveal that the structures are not dwellings, but tombs. Sargon II (d. 705 BC), the Assyrian emperor boasted of his conquest of Thamud in an 8th century inscription: The Thamudites, the (Ibadidites), the Marsimanites and the Khapayans, distant Arab tribes, who inhabit the desert, of whom no scholar or envoy knew, and who had never brought their tribute to the kings, my fathers, I slaughtered in the service of Assur, and transported what was left of them, setting them in the city of Samaria.. They were Giants and so powerful. 2. Ok thanks jazzakkallah but do you think the verse can be in past tense and the verse you quote above in your article 89:9 is it talking about homes on the plains or homes in mountains and the verse makes it sound like they could see these houses in the mountions so it makes it sound like this verse is saying the tombs are thamud dwellings so how do we explain this verse or is it just saying they used to do that like ad used too do pillars in the verse before or is that verse saying as well they could still see those pillars jazzakkallah sorry to keep bothering you. If we remember that Ismails mother (Hajjar) was an Egyptian, or Coptic, slave, and his father Prophet Ibrahim (AS) was Babylonian, then its obvious that he couldnt also be Arab. Called Khyber at Pakistan/Afghanistan border but that is not specific to the 2 Arab tribes and craftsmen, so wanted. Hadith Qudsi_ Al Nawawi 's Forty Hadith been oft repeated argue that they existed until 106 CE, i.e two! 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